CASP conversation with Twicebaked in Washington

http://youtu.be/LgMSfaAK5ys

Video by Steve Hyde

by Dominic Corva, Executive Director

We are incredibly grateful to Pam Dyer, Twicebaked in Washington, for visiting our office on Tuesday, January 27 for a long form ethnographic conversation/interview. Pam has been a friend of ours since last year’s Cannabis Freedom March, where we first began to learn about her as a “cannabis stakeholder,” as the legislators put it. Here at CASP, we like to unpack such categorical boxes so we can understand how cannabis is social policy, embedded in wider contexts, since what’s at stake for cannabis is what’s at stake for society. To do that we have to know a lot more about the human beings whose lives and livelihoods are constructed in complex relationship with the plant, rather than simple categorical boxes like “recreationist” or even “patient.” People like Pam who have been around the plant their whole lives — including childhood, gasp — have something important to tell us about how to make peace with a plant.

The difference between an ethnographic interview and other ways of interviewing people is that the interviewer is looking for ways in which individual’s stories shed partial light on collective ones. Life stories tell us something about how individuals make choices, but not under conditions of their own choosing. Instead, they face landscapes of choice that are shared with different others making similar and/or different choices under similar cultural, economic and political conditions. The Twicebaked story intersects with shared social particularities around, among other things: chronic lifelong pain related to scoliosis; lifework associated with personal fitness and nutrition training; suburban British Columbia childhood; women’s spaces; and most recently, working in the newly out-of-the-closet cannabis landscapes which include but are not limited to legal ones. Twicebaked’s choices in these conditions for choosing are her own, but they provide us with a grounded peek into how others with similar conditions have developed their identities as cannabis stakeholders, or not.

What can you learn from a conversation with Twicebaked, then? You can learn about the content of her choices as well as the conditions others in similar positions face. Right now, the most timely combination of the two might be her account of challenges to others interested in following her along the path of raw cannabis preparation and consumption as part of a holistic diet. As the discussion about how to regulate cannabis markets develops, the question of access to and distribution of fresh, organic whole plants to juice has yet to take its place at the legislative table. Yet this may be the most healthy direction for cannabis markets to develop. “Health and wellness” cannabis preparation defies existing regulatory definitions like “recreational” and “medical,” and have the greatest potential for creating new kinds of markets for cannabis consumption and its associated potential tax revenues.

With that said, many thanks to Pam Dyer for her participation and engagement. She is an important part of the CASP solidarity network, and we have much common ground. Special thanks also go out to Steve Hyde, our tireless and creative videographer.

AUDIO TRANSCRIPT

Dr. Corva: All right. Dominic Corva here at CASP headquarters with Pam Dyer getting the Errol Morris treatment from Steve Hyde.

Pam Dyer: Hello.

Dr. Corva: Welcome, welcome Pam. I am going to start you out… Perhaps you remember we talked before that a lot of my work is ethnography and ethnographic research even when it’s instrumental for other purposes. So while this interview is both great way to get some content on you, it’s a way for me to kind of add to my cannabis ethnography. I always start these questions one way. How do you come to encounter cannabis in the first place?

Pam Dyer: I mean the first place ever in my whole entire life?

Dr. Corva: Yeah.

Pam Dyer: Or the way I am using it currently?

Dr. Corva: Well, both.

Pam Dyer: All right. First time ever in my whole entire life, I was 13 and smoked a joint with a girlfriend. The way that I am using it currently, I started using it as in medical marijuana probably three years ago when I started having really bad back problems.

Dr. Corva: Right. Related to your scoliosis?

Pam Dyer: Yes. I have a neuromuscular disorder, I did have scoliosis, I have migraines, I have an autoimmune disorder and I think I can go on for a while.

Dr. Corva: Yeah. Let’s take those two answers actually and get a little bit deeper on that for a moment. At 13, you already had scoliosis, yeah?

Pam Dyer: Yes.

Dr. Corva: But the context of your smoking a joint wasn’t “this is gonna help my scoliosis?”

Pam Dyer: Right.

Dr. Corva: You weren’t of aware of that necessarily, right?

Pam Dyer: I was just having fun.

Dr. Corva: Yeah, having fun. Recreation is what they like to say. Where were you geographically as well?

Pam Dyer: Like in the world?

Dr. Corva: Yeah.

Pam Dyer: I was in a little town in British Columbia, Canada.

Dr. Corva: Okay, all right. So, establishing the location, were you in the suburb spreads?

Pam Dyer: Yes. I might have been in a trailer park even. And that’s even a two-storey.

Dr. Corva: All right. So, I guess what was the cultural situation there at that time? What you were doing, you were doing something that seemed like a really big deal?

Pam Dyer: It didn’t seem like a big deal. I had gotten like 20 joints from a friend, a kid at school. I was helping him in English class and he was giving me marijuana and… And so he gave me like 20 joints, and so that’s what we had at weekend with my friend and we just went into our home shed and that’s where we were doing it. So, it didn’t seem like we were doing anything bad because a lot of other kids were doing it but it kind of I mean we knew that our parents wouldn’t approve, so you know.

Dr. Corva: Right. But it wasn’t like murdering someone, right?

Pam Dyer: No.

Dr. Corva: It wasn’t like that, right?

Pam Dyer: No. It wasn’t even like getting drunk, you know.

Dr. Corva: Right. So, you know, what’s so special in that for me is how you got your cannabis, which is that you were the smart kid at school tutoring somebody else. In exchange for your electoral guidance, he…

Pam Dyer: Well, and 20 bucks.

Dr. Corva: And 20 bucks. Okay. Okay. So, this is actually _____3:18…

Pam Dyer: I got a good deal though.

Dr. Corva: It’s good deal, 20 bucks for 20 joints. I were to take a long time before they get to that price level. This is great. So, this really flies against along the cultural stereotypes, so if you know the… _____03:35 kids smoking joints necessarily, although of course, that’s, you know, we got it from.

Pam Dyer: Right.

Dr. Corva: So, yeah… So, the social relation is like you know exchanges are very very important and interesting. Did you notice any effect on your scoliosis pain when you did that?

Pam Dyer: At 13, I wouldn’t have put that together. Like even in retrospect, I see that I used cannabis a lot in my 20s and when I look back I can definitely see that I am using it on a mental level to handle what was happening to me physically but I didn’t really understand how to use it like to maximize using it physically, yeah.

Dr. Corva: And what kinds of medications you had been on to deal with it in your lifetime?

Pam Dyer: Anti-inflammatories, muscle relaxers, I don’t know… you know stuff like that. Stuff that they put you on for chronic issues that really just kind of help you deal with the symptoms, they don’t actually take the problems away.

Dr. Corva: Right. Right.

Pam Dyer: And sometimes create worse problems.

Dr. Corva: So, let’s talk about some side effects maybe.

Pam Dyer: Oh like feeling stoned when you’re on like pills. So feeling stoned, having digestive issues afterwards, having to pay attention what’s going on with your liver, that kind of thing.

Dr. Corva: Well, because it’s toxic for your liver.

Pam Dyer: Yeah. And so like at age 20 or something like that, I was told it’s probably what you’re going to have just… you’re going to be taking these your whole life and that’s not really something that at age of 20 year old I was willing to accept.

Dr. Corva: Right. So, but at that time in your 20s, you were both consuming cannabis but not quite aware that it was necessarily treating your condition?

Pam Dyer: Right, I understood that I really liked using it. It made me feel good. It was a stress reliever. It’s… I was at one point in my life just using it all day long. It was just something that I did and I was also working from like 4 o’clock in the morning until 7 o’clock at night. So, it wasn’t like I was feeling lazy.

Dr. Corva: Right.

Pam Dyer: I was just like it is actually helping me. I believe it was helping and it’s just what I did.

Dr. Corva: What were you doing for living?

Pam Dyer: I was working at that time in a fitness club, an all female fitness club, teaching aerobics, teaching spinning classes, personal training, doing outdoor boot camps. You know, it was fun.

Dr. Corva: What was the point then I guess when your… Would you term it like relation, like what would you term that relationship that you had then before it was medical relationship?

Pam Dyer: I don’t know. Honestly, I don’t know. If I were to have said at that time, I would almost have said I was addicted to it because that’s how I was kind of told. If you’re using it all the time, you’re addicted to it. So, that’s kind of what I would see my relationship was. I was addicted to using it. So, at this time looking back, I would like to say you know I was moderating myself and it was getting into my day and night and I realized that it was… you know, I knew that it wasn’t harming me, so that was good.

Dr. Corva: Right. That notion of harm is important one here. I think it’s important for listeners the concepts of addiction mean different things to different people, but often it’s treated as… the word is equated to harm, and difficulty here is that like the language we have to describe you know what we are doing, addiction is a habit… a regular habit versus addiction as a disease. It’s important to think about the distinctions. Addiction is a disease. One of the major characteristics is your habitual consumption actually makes you less productive and hurts other parts of your life and you’re compulsively using something or consuming something even though it’s clearly having negative effect on your life and that’s very key part of the definition of addiction that we have to think about here and it’s why Pam can look back and say, “I was using it and clearly being overproductive, holding down the job and so forth.” It’s interesting how many folks are sort of learning what they were doing at this point in their life and then realize what we’re doing with lots of other things, lots of other ways, so we look back and kind of understand it a little better.

When did you become aware of cannabis as medicine basically?

Pam Dyer: When I started having really severe problems, kind of getting up and down of the floor and having problems physically. And I was going back to the doctors and I was really not finding any solutions and it was suggested to me to like why not try it and they hadn’t really followed it as medicinal. So, having… That restarted a whole new relationship with it because then I had to look at it from a different perspective that this isn’t really something that I am using to get high, I am trying to use this to get through my day which before I only knew how to get through my day by being high if I was using it. So now, how do I use it medicinally without getting high was an interesting conundrum?

Dr. Corva: Yeah. So, how did you explore solving that conundrum?

Pam Dyer: Well, I tried every single way possible that you could use it. I have tried… I mean I have tried every singly way possible that you can use it and explored this is what felt good for me. I have tried juicing it, eating it, cooking with it, eating it raw. I have tried suppositories, topical. I have tried… You know, I have tried every single way that you can use it. I have tried dabs. I have done dabs, yeah. So, I feel it really as far as like how do you use it, I use it in all those ways and they all kind of balance each other out and they’re all form.

Dr. Corva: So, what you’re saying is that you’re instrumental about each one that you know… that what you’re looking for is beyond getting high, it’s treating you know muscle spasms?

Pam Dyer: Yes.

Dr. Corva: Or treating your headaches?

Pam Dyer: Right. So, I know that when I raw cannabis regularly, I am having less muscle spasms and if I still have muscle spasms, I can treat those with the topical. And if I am still having problems, I can vaporize a little bit. So, they kind of… they all compliment each other, the different ways of using it.

Dr. Corva: How did you learn about… this is actually something I think that not a lot of people are really aware of, you know, the process of consuming raw cannabis juice and otherwise?

Pam Dyer: I learned about raw cannabis when I was in nutrition school and I had heard a talk from a raw food guru and he said he was in Canada once and he had a raw cannabis salad and it was the most amazing thing and if you ever have a chance to eat any raw food, the most amazing super food is cannabis. And that was the only thing that he said about it but that had like really stepped me because I had just become a cannabis patient, so I was really exploring like how can I find that and it was hard to find but I found it.

Dr. Corva: Talk about that actually. I think it’s a really important thing for people to know about…

Pam Dyer: It is.

Dr. Corva: …that it is hard to find.

Pam Dyer: It is, because I am consuming fresh cannabis that’s either just been picked… or has just been picked. So, unless I grow it myself or I know somebody who is growing it that lives close to me that I can get it from, I don’t have access to it. You can’t get it from dispensaries or from a 502 store. It’s not available.

Dr. Corva: Right. And that fresh cannabis, how fresh are we talking here?

Pam Dyer: To the day or like one or two days, kind of like spinach. You will get it just, you know.

Dr. Corva: No human being can harvest cannabis every two or three days. This is important thing to notice.

Pam Dyer: Right. So, for me to consume like what’s recommended for a therapeutic dosage, it’s also recommended that I be able to grow 30 plants and I mean just to grasp that idea you’re consuming an entire plant and none of that is making you high. So, a lot of people will think that’s crazy actually but it’s one of those things that people don’t understand how much work actually goes into consuming a raw, but it’s really worthwhile.

Dr. Corva: Now, 30 indoor cannabis plants, if they were all harvested at once, we’re dealing what about 15 pounds?

Pam Dyer: I have no idea. Honestly, I have no idea on that.

Dr. Corva: All right. So for now, we will go on what I am saying.

Pam Dyer: Yes.

Dr. Corva: Fifteen pounds… the market value of 15 pounds folks… you know, if you’re in the black market then you’ll it’s 2,000 dollars a pound, which is probably a little estimate for indoor. That’s 30,000 dollars.

Pam Dyer: Well, here is what I’ll tell you. I ate 50 grams of raw leaf this morning… I put it into two smoothies, so it’s two meals. And I mean 50 grams, if we’re just talking about that say 10 dollars a gram is 50 dollars.

Dr. Corva: We’re talking mostly leaf, right, or you’re also…?

Pam Dyer: Yes. I mean I have teamed up with an organic farmer where they are kind of disposing off those leaves anyway. So rather than putting them back in _____13:14, they are actually giving them to me.

Dr. Corva: How important is it that you know your farmer in terms of you consuming raw cannabis, like don’t you need to know you know like if there are pesticides or anything else?

Pam Dyer: Yeah, you want to make sure that it’s organically grown and it’s not been sprayed with anything in its lifetime, so it’s kind of big deal to know who is growing your plants or you grow them your own so you can know exactly what’s on them.

Dr. Corva: On a scale of 1 to 10, how far away do you think the I-502 system is from a situation that you would be able to afford the treatment that you’re taking now?

Pam Dyer: Like 10 being I could afford it?

Dr. Corva: Yes.

Pam Dyer: I would say I met at 1. There is no way I could afford it to pay for my medicine. I consume so much cannabis that there is just no way.

Dr. Corva: And let’s look it as one person and not many people do this, but with the health benefits that Pam is talking about that probably should change and you would expect I think raw cannabis to become part of the wider raw food movements and there will be much great demand in that instance?

Pam Dyer: Well, once it’s legalized and I mean let’s think about goji berries or chia seeds, those are super foods as well and people can take them anywhere but it’s… we’re legal here, so it should be eventually… it’s normalization of understanding that this is simply a food as well.

Dr. Corva: What are the main challenges to come into the point where we can regulate cannabis as food?

Pam Dyer: I don’t know. That’s a fair question. I guess understanding the fact that it’s not just a drug, because simply right now it’s being treated only as a drug.

Dr. Corva: And in fact you’re saying this right now even in oppose to legalize situation in Washington, says what about where we are at culturally right now, where everybody else is basically, because they are thinking about it like it’s a drug and cultural acceptance essentially of cannabis and cananabis’ use and all these new ways that people don’t know anything about, which you’re kind of pioneering in and getting that knowledge out to the public, there is a long way to go I think. But how do we do it, how we talk to people? I want to jolt your memory really quick of yours and all recent efforts down to Pike Place Market and ask you to talk about that.

Pam Dyer: Yes, we went down the Pike Place Market representing Normal Women of Washington and set up a table and a little booth area, and just started talking to people about marijuana… we made different questions. You know, do you have questions about marijuana, do you have questions about cannabis and we changed them maybe once in a while. And for the most part, people would stop in to chat with us a little bit. A lot of people would like go ahead staring and say so signs and walk by, and there are that people who just see what _____16:38 smile and walk by. We got a lot of people ask this where would buy pot, like the stores, yeah. It was an interesting day and it was just interesting more than anything else to see how people’s reaction to seeing the word marijuana, you know.

Dr. Corva: Was there a most surprising part of the day?

Pam Dyer: I don’t know. They were surprising in quite a ways. The fact that people are still open to sitting down and talking to you, they really do, they are kind of… They are people that just kind of want to talk really, a young man to sit down and tell us that he is trying to get off of drugs and… or he is on the drugs and he wants to use cannabis to help him but he is really scared, but he has heard that he can use it in a way that will make him high, is that true, and so we were able to like have a little nice moment with somebody like that.

Dr. Corva: Did you start talking by CBD which…

Pam Dyer: A little bit… A little bit. We just kind of gave him a few tippets for him to be able to keep going. It’s a lot of information to try to pass on to someone in one conversation.

Dr. Corva: Yeah, it really is. It really is. I want to ask you really quick specifically about the nutrition benefits in terms of like you know THCA, whatever vitamin, you know what are you getting from the plant when you consume it that way?

Pam Dyer: We think of cannabis is this food that has… In the plant world, it is super special because it only has protein; it is a complete protein which is very rare in the plant world. And it has essential fatty acids, Omega 3, 6, and 9 in a ratio that’s ideal for the human body. So, those two things right there allow you to consume this plant and have a complete nutrition without having anything else. You’re getting your fat, your protein, and it has got carbohydrates in it. You’re getting chlorophyll with the green. You’re getting all of your vitamins. I can’t name them all. But it’s your… It’s a super food. It’s like spinach, but then you’re getting cannabinoids as well, your CBDA, your THCA. And because it’s in its raw form, you’re able to consume it in a great… a larger portion. You can consume THC in its acid form and a lot more. So, that’s why you can gain greater therapeutic benefits when you’re consuming it in its raw form. For me, it’s kind of like I am filling up my endocannabinoid reserves and when I have enough raw cannabis in my system and say I were to vaporize or whatever, I don’t need to generally use this much because I just don’t need as much, which if I am not using the raw cannabis, it’s like I don’t even have _____19:23 I could say smoke joints all day long and they wouldn’t really make me feel high, sort of.

Dr. Corva: Could you actually tell me does it ever get you high the consumption of THCA?

Pam Dyer: Oh yes, not THCA, but like _____19:40. But yeah, no, I have never gotten high off of raw cannabis and the only time I have ever known anybody to say that they have… I have known a few people let’s say that they like fell asleep after they drink it, which was interesting. But I have never known anybody who said that they felt super high.

Dr. Corva: Right. So, how is raw cannabis different from let’s say someone who makes brownies and decides to put you know raw cannabis in the brownies?

Pam Dyer: Oh, put raw cannabis in the brownies.

Dr. Corva: Yeah. But I have never…

Pam Dyer: Well, if you’re cooking it, as soon as you add heat to it, then you’re neutralizing it and now it’s THC. Right, so…

Dr. Corva: And that process is called?

Pam Dyer: Decarboxylation, yes. So, that’s what we are trying to avoid when we’re eating it raw is that we don’t do decarboxylation. That’s why we want it fresh and eat it as soon as it is picked as possible.

Dr. Corva: Great. Great. I am going to step back a little bit to, how much of a normal person are you these days, like what do you do for living? Does Twicebaked support you or what else do you do?

Pam Dyer: I am kind of normal. I generally work from home. I see a few clients a day, teach the other two and that kind of thing, personal training. I have kept a few clients, but I also work for MJBA Publishing, MJ News Network.

Dr. Corva: Yes.

Pam Dyer: Yes. I help them create contents and I go to their events and… Basically, my job with them is to kind of spread to world what’s going on in cannabis, what’s legally happening in business and what’s going on in Washington and also the rest of the world. It’s kind of an interesting place where people can come to and find a resource, so it’s like what’s going on and it’s chronicling what’s going on around that. We have kind of… I have access when I go to different places that other people don’t have access to seeing what’s going on behind the scenes. So, that’s been kind of interesting. That’s not normal but for the most part, I am on a computer at home and that’s kind of normal.

Dr. Corva: All right. With MJBA, then you’re doing reporting. And anyway, this is new for you?

Pam Dyer: Yeah, I am now the reporter. Now, I am the road reporter as I like to refer myself I guess, but yeah it’s totally new. I just happened to find myself in this place with a little camcorder and why not share this with the world because I have recognized that this isn’t something that other people are seeing and the fact that I am there kind of I am a normal person, this is a normal thing that’s happening. It’s just a different kind of business. It’s a business event. It’s just a cannabis business event, you know what I mean.

Dr. Corva: What is the culture of cannabis business if I may ask? The term is used quite often by entrepreneurs but I guess…

Pam Dyer: Cannabis culture.

Dr. Corva: Yeah. I mean what’s cannabis culture I guess…

Pam Dyer: And business.

Dr. Corva: And business? Let’s just start with cannabis culture.

Pam Dyer: I think one of the biggest things of the cannabis business is that it’s filled with people that have major passion for the cannabis culture.

Dr. Corva: Yeah.

Pam Dyer: And so, I haven’t seen that… you know see that in ton of industries where people are so passionate about their business, they are willing to work seven days a week even though they are not necessarily making a ton of money.

Dr. Corva: Yeah. And that being said, probably on the screen we can’t see that marijuana is safer than unemployment, is that? You wanna get on your tip toes, can we see it?

Pam Dyer: Tip toes.

Dr. Corva: This is an awesome variation of _____23:32 marijuana is safer than alcohol t-shirts. And I really you know like said something very strong about cannabis at a social policy, like actually what we can do is employ people now and that’s something this country needs. We are actually producing a social good and essentially… we are connected to the rest of the society and we need to prevent them.

Pam Dyer: And I mean they ask what about the kids… what about the kids if their parents are unemployed or in jail because of marijuana, yeah.

Dr. Corva: What do you think about that whole… It seems like the question of what about the kids is at the moment the trunk statement that after that like you just can’t say anything. But you just said something and I think it’s really important for people to start actually saying things about that. I mean looking back at your own biography here, you know you consumed cannabis at age 13, you turned out pretty good. Is that an anecdote or is that an exception, the more testimonials we have about people turned out fine, I think better?

Pam Dyer: Right. I wouldn’t say that it impaired my development at all because I was like, I mean theoretically already developmentally impaired. You know, on a physiological level, let’s be honest here, I wouldn’t say that at all. If anything, it helped me deal with different things as I was using it. It’s an interesting thing to get developed.

Dr. Corva: Let me switch topics a little bit here and I wanted to ask you about the Women of Weed. You know, I _____25:21 I think in the past. I don’t mean to… But how important has the Women of Weed you know been to you and other people in it here in State of Washington?

Pam Dyer: Women of Weed has been… is a social club to me. So, they have been wonderful as a place to go and be surrounded by a woman who know exactly kind of what I am dealing with, the topics I am constantly thinking about, and we all have this one thing in common which I don’t have in a lot of my other social circles because I am… Yeah, this isn’t really. I am not of the cannabis culture if I am allowed to say something like that. So, I am allowed to all of a sudden be around this culture of cannabis of women who had been around for years and decades. It’s actually really special to me to be able to have that experience and I have learned a lot from them.

Dr. Corva: I would say that from what you just said that you’re not of cannabis culture, it means several things, but more broadly cannabis culture has been so male dominated and this is more of a thing that I think is great would Women of Weed is actually it’s taking cannabis culture in a much more progressive direction, inclusive direction, so you know I will stop that.

Pam Dyer: Well, it’s been nice to see to how there has been other women groups growing and there is power with having yourself surrounded with female support as a woman. It’s really… It’s power thing. Like women grow and MJBA Women’s Alliance, you know, there are different ones out there where you can find different support that isn’t just a social club. You can actually build on other things that you’re meeting with in the cannabis world.

Dr. Corva: Something just occurred to me actually which is your employment in that female gym earlier in your life.

Pam Dyer: Yeah, right.

Dr. Corva: Is there any sort of similarity in terms of just simply like _____27:24 female space?

Pam Dyer: I guess the similarity is that you’re able to just relax on that level. It’s the level that’s hard to describe unless you’re all female and it’s nice, but within that, the industry… this cannabis industry has brought together a group of very powerful and passionate women that I haven’t experienced. May be it’s because in the other industry, the wellness industry, I always ended up like authoritative figure. But in this group, I am not… It’s like when I am in the room I am not the only human in the room. So, that’s what is much different it is. I am being surrounded by very special people that I guess aren’t there to solve their problems, they are the problem solvers.

Dr. Corva: Elsewhere, outside of say you know the Women of Weed as an example, the civil society kind of space, I have noticed the beginnings of differentiations of interest between the folks who are involved in I-502, folks who are involved in medical in particular being you know… I have been kind of saddened to see kind of some of the way the communication has developed, so you know for the folks who are viewing each other essentially as you know enemies or competition. I guess in the Women of Weed, that sort of thing… Is that like something measured by the fact that we don’t went up here to, you know… we are here to do positive things, I guess.

Pam Dyer: Absolutely. We are here to nurture and support each other. We are not here to break each other down. I have only ever witnessed people that are doing that, so yes.

Dr. Corva: Fantastic. Fantastic. I mean may we all take that to heart really to nurture and support each other and not break each other down. Well Pam, do you have any final thoughts or questions of me or anything you want to add to it.

Pam Dyer: I would like to encourage the world to eat more handpicked if you can get that in grocery store. You can follow me on Twicbaked in Washington on Twitter, Instagram, and Youtube and you can follow me on MJ Headline News, Marijuana Channel 1 on Youtube. And what else can I possibly say. Thank you so much for having me here.

Dr. Corva: Thank you Pam. Thank you, you’re delightful. You’re awesome. Thank you.

 

 

How many I 502 producers just went dormant for the next 8 months?

01062015_TIER3

Map by Steve Hyde

by Dominic Corva, Executive Director

In the process of developing a forecasting methodology, I’ve noticed that “canopy” — maximum or effective — seems to be a very blunt tool for calculating harvest potential. However, it can give us comparative ratios that are much more credible than nominal numbers. Today’s post uses canopy to highlight a very significant factor for thinking about I 502 production in the coming year: the dormancy of most outdoor grows.

The 1/13/2015 WSLCB update counts 339 approved producer licensees. 78 are Tier 1, 153 are Tier 2, and 108 are Tier 3 producers. We applied our sample ratios provided by the WSLCB a few months ago to project how many of those are indoor, outdoor, and both.

Tier 1:     Est. Licensees Max Canopy Effective Canopy % of canopy
In 65 91,000 27,300 1.33%
Out 8 10,920 9,828 0.48%
Both 5 7,280 4,732 0.23%
Tier 2:
In 91 634,145 190,243 9.27%
Out 24 169,105 152,195 7.42%
Both 38 267,750 174,038 8.48%
Tier 3:
In 26 546,000 163,800 7.98%
Out 40 840,000 756,000 36.85%
Both 42 882,000 573,300 27.95%
Total 339 3,448,200 2,051,436 100.00%

 

Simple math tells us that approximately 44.75% of currently approved production is classified as strictly outdoor, and therefore will not be harvesting for the next nine months. This number is the absolute low end of the percentage of approved producers that won’t be delivering product to market till Fall 2015: some unknown percentage of the 36.7% categorized as “both” indoor and outdoor are primarily outdoor.

If half that number are primarily outdoor — about 18% — then we would estimate that 63% of all currently approved I 502 canopy will not be yielding product for market until Fall 2015.

Of course, we don’t have good data on whether half that number is a good rule of thumb. I suspect it is too low. As we move towards a quarterly forecast, the takeaway point is that a LOT higher percentage of max canopy will be harvested in the fourth quarter, while about a third of max canopy could be harvested in the first three quarters. The third quarter will include Outdoor Light Dep crops, of course, and so we predict a steep production drop in the first quarter of 2015 followed by steady increase fortified by more producers coming on line.

That is really the difficult trend to anticipate. We don’t know how much of the current applicant pool is viable, on the one hand, and how many of those businesses will be sold to investors who can make them viable, on the other. As of now, the WSLCB seems content to let the market figure out how to distribute the limited number of licenses applied for in its first and only window.

An alternative would be to open up the process to merit-based applications, rather than let the production landscape go to the highest bidder. It is also possible the WSLCB will restore the 30% of max canopy it took away a year ago. We are at about 3.5 million out of 8.5 million square feet of max canopy the WSLCB has most recently estimated as the production ceiling.

In that case, though, investment groups may snatch up enough of the currently unviable applications to surge way past WSLCB intentions to cap production.

Astute readers will note that given the existing approved canopy numbers, Fall 2015 is likely to blow production up so much that many licensees will go out of business, on the one hand, and that I 502 retail will be extremely competitive with current medical access points. When I 502 producers start going out of business because wholesale prices can’t meet cost of production, indoor production will decline precipitously.

That goes for indoor gray and black market indoor producers, too — but does not apply to imported “indoor” from California, which is mostly outdoor.  That price floor is probably about $1000/lb wholesale — and the legal system once up and running can beat it, if anti-competitive measures such as the tax structure are fixed.

The working hypothesis, then, is that those concerned with commercial medical production could easily wait it out — it won’t be long before market forces displace most of them. This hypothesis assumes that the 2015 legislature will (a) switch from excise to sales tax and only at point of retail; (b) resolve the local jurisdiction rebellion against I 502 participation; and (c) open up a LOT more retail stores.

Initial Monthly Revenue for I-502 Businesses by Type and Tenure

By Dr. Jim MacRae, CASP Research Associate

Now that 2014 is behind us and Washington State is entering its second year enjoying a legal cannabis market, it is time to reflect on (and give a bit back to) the brave individuals at the vanguard of this nascent industry.

The attached chart is intended to stimulate thought and discussion amongst I-502 business operators, applicants, aspirants, supporters and legislators about the early revenue realities of operating a legal cannabis business in Washington State.  It is also designed to be a useful initial benchmarking tool for legal cannabis business operators*.  For example, if you are a Retailer that has been open for 3 months and you book $160,000 in month 3, you are in the minority (in a good way) vs. your peers.

As such, the only interpretation I’ll put on this (and your comments are welcome on what meaning YOU derive from the chart) is that both Tier 1 and Tier 2 producers that do not also have (or have not yet generated sales from) a processor license appear to be, on average, struggling in terms of generating reasonable levels of revenue. At a minimum, this suggests that having a very low cost of production will be crucial for such operations.

The chart contains averages, and there are businesses that are significantly exceeding these numbers. As such, if your business has sold more than these averages in any month since you opened, you can infer that you were doing better than the majority of I-502 businesses in the State at a similar interval following the month of their first sale.

All I-502 businesses that booked at least 1 sale in 2014 are represented in the attached chart. It is derived from individual licensee-level monthly sales reported by the WSLCB for calendar year 2014.

“Month” 1 on the chart is the first month in which each business booked a sale (so all businesses with a sale in 2014 are included here). Each subsequent “Month” is the next month of sales FOR EACH BUSINESS. As a result, each subsequent “Month” will include fewer businesses (e.g., “Month” 6 contains only those businesses that first reported sales in June or July).

We welcome your comments and discussion on what you see in these derived data. In the meanwhile, CASP is working on a comprehensive interpretive and predictive view of this marketplace, based on what happened during 2014.

Stay tuned …. It should not be too much longer coming.

 

*If you find utility in this that brings value to your business or plans and are able to, please find it in your heart to donate to CASP — we are a 501c(3), in case 280e doesn’t derail even that deduction.  Some of the stuff we publish might just help with your production and, arguably, be classifiable as COGS.

 

Std502Sales

Market Concentration So Far

image (8)

 

This chart includes most of Fall Harvest and will be updated when more current information is released by the WSLCB

by Dominic Corva, Executive Director

News of market saturation from Fall Harvest should be situated in the context of market concentration. We have previously focused on market concentration by Tier, but after looking closely at the existing data the big news is that seven producers account for 43.7% of all legal cannabis produced through November 11.

We chose the top 7 because it includes all producers that have produced at least twice as much as number 8, BMF Washington (569 lbs). The following table provides their relevant production information. Please note that all production numbers include raw cannabis produced, not just buds; and that crop failures for any reason are not included in the totals.

Top 7 producers through November 11 Number of harvests Total LBS harvested (bud and raw material) Production Share of State Total
PDT TECHNOLOGIES 3 2981 11.78%
THE HAPPY CROWD 2 1934 7.64%
AVITAS 4 1396 5.52%
BUDDY BOY FARMS 6 1263 4.99%
LIFE GARDENS 1 2 1225 4.84%
THE MARKET GARDEN 2 1137 4.49%
CANNASOL FARMS INC 6 1131 4.47%
175 Others 450 14223 56.25%

 

The first thing to note is that only one of the top producers for the year is not a Tier 3 producer: Avitas is a Tier 2 Producer; and that while most of the rest likely fall into the category of “mixed indoor and outdoor” we are looking at mostly outdoor greenhouse production. PDT Technologies, for example, harvested over 2000 lbs in November — accounting for over a quarter of the November crop. They won’t be harvesting anything like that until their first light dep crop, possibly in July 2015.

This example highlights two things.  First, a huge amount of the current “glut” per retail store (remember we are still at less than a third capacity for the state) is coming from a seasonal harvest, and therefore supply issues will resolve themselves within a few months. Producers who are desperate for capital will take lower prices right now, while producers who have thought ahead will reserve inventory for when prices come back up. This is a function (1) of more retail stores to open and (2) far smaller monthly harvests until Fall 2015.

Second, it demonstrates how much a single, dialed-in. Tier 3 outdoor I-502 producer can at this point command major market share. In November 2015, there will be a lot more than one. This leads me to believe that legal cannabis market prices will not only compare favorably with gray and black market prices in less than a year, they may simply compete those prices out of business.

This last point is very relevant to policymakers right now, as they mobilize fiscal arguments against the continuing existence of medical markets. The maturation of the I-502 market will do that work without an expensive, hostile takeover with dubious social policy consequences such as expanding the black market considerably and driving consumers away from the legal market.

In a competitive market, the wholesale price for cannabis depends on the cost of production (sunk costs do not count). In an oligopolistic market — the one described above — a few producers capture margins well above the cost of production, and have a huge advantage over incoming market participants.

This is the social cost of a political decision by the WSLCB to create a limited, slowly developing, regulated as tight as Mike Tyson’s fist in its glory days. That decision was made well before the other major structural drags on I 502 market development became apparent, chief among them vanishing real estate viability. The cause of this is more than zoning, of course: it is also the result of the Association of Washington Cities’ choice to organize against I 502 permitting until they get a share of I 502 state revenue.

The perceived social benefit of that decision should not be invisible here: the WSLCB and the State of Washington have examined Federal guidelines and chosen the most conservative path to legal cannabis possible. Presumably, this means the children have been protected — not those of I 502 applicants who have gone out of business and lost their savings while the tightly regulated market grows.

Further analysis of the existing legal cannabis production landscape is forthcoming.

 

 

Why Cannabis Production is an Agricultural Activity

cannabisAG 

By Dr. Jim MacRae* CASP Research Associate and Steve Hyde CASP Director of Communications

The production and processing of cannabis, as sanctioned under I-502, is continuing to see localized opposition from what appear to be micro-clusters of neighbors who, for various reasons, do not wish to have such facilities located near their properties.

In response, some local authorities have initiated processes that add additional restrictions on where such businesses can locate.   Some jurisdictions have created environments in which the effort, cost, and time necessary to achieve all permits necessary for local legal operation is increased dramatically.

One common tactic that such authorities have used to rationalize these prohibitionist actions is to frame the production and processing of cannabis as being industrial in nature, and not agricultural.

When a local authority denies that growing cannabis is agriculture, they can call it pretty much whatever they wish to call it.  The tendency seems to be to use labels aimed at framing the growing of cannabis as an industrial activity.

This severely restricts the zones that most land-use matrices consider appropriate for the growing and processing of this particular crop.  It also tends to force legal cannabis farms to locate in areas where neighbors may not be particularly compatible with the production of clean, safe harvests.

SB-6505 was passed last year in an effort to maximize the collection of I-502 excise taxes, through denying all agricultural tax exemptions from cannabis production and processing.  This seems to be the basis of local confusion regarding the agricultural nature of cannabis production and ancillary processing such as trimming/pruning, drying, and curing.  Unfortunately, this confusion is compromising the ability of I-502 producers and processors to exercise their Right to Farm and, as such, is putting this State’s long-standing Right to Farm environment at risk.

The following graphic was created to serve as a community tool to help you educate and remind local authorities and concerned citizens that:

-when you plant a cannabis seed

-and give it water, light and fertilizer

-it will attempt to use photosynthesis to grow

-and can yield a profitable crop.

A crop that can help farm families keep their farms …. just like any other plant.

 

*This graphic was inspired by the recent experiences of Dr. MacRae in Snohomish County, where he is a Tier 1 Producer/Processor applicant wishing to use a sub-2000 sq.ft. greenhouse to grow his crop. He also wishes to use that greenhouse for processing (drying and curing). Under current Snohomish County rules, he is not able to do that, in part because the “industrial” activity of curing and drying bud may only be conducted in a structure built to F1 Industrial Building Code standards. In a further run-on extension of this circular (my peers did not think I should say idiotic) logic, the proliferation of such F1 IBC buildings containing legal cannabis in rural areas apparently constitutes an emergency that has resulted in almost 200,000 acres of Snohomish County zoned R5 being no longer deemed appropriate for the use of legal cannabis production or processing.

 

A PDF of this chart is available here. Please download, reproduce, and share widely!

 

 

Legal Production so far: 25,300 lbs through November 11

 

image (4)

 

by Dominic Corva, Executive Director

Happy New Year! December was a busy month but we at CASP are excited to get back to mapping and analyzing the legal cannabis landscape. The WSLCB recently sent us a full account of how many grams of legal cannabis were produced from the first harvest in May up to November 11, which includes most of the fall outdoor harvest. Updated numbers will be available soon, and we will close the books on 2015 when it does. This post is a preliminary look at the data, which is not publicly available at this time.

As the reader might intuit from the graph, the story is one of logarithmic production growth, although that will level out over the winter since most Tier 3 outdoor production will be dormant for the next 8 months or so. Until then, more producers will be coming online and the indoor and hybrid gardens will try to take up the slack.

The number to know: 25,300 lbs were harvested over seven months from 178 distinct licensees, with about half of that coming in November. That’s the number 1 reason why producer/processors are having a much harder time placing their product, and many are choosing to hold inventory until their wholesale products improve. Smart ones are storing their inventory properly and allowing their product to cure over the next several months, which should help with microbial testing issues that faced so many at the end of the year — we have information on that and will write about it in the coming weeks.

Next up for the data will be breaking down market share by Tier, as we have done in the past, but also by licensee. We want to know how democratic the production economy is, and to do that we will need to measure market centralization. We will also be geocoding licensee harvest numbers to show how production has been distributed throughout the state.

See you soon! We have a lot of forecasting and analysis to do over the next several weeks.

PRESS RELEASE

PRESS RELEASE

December 6th 2014
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Title: HEALTH SCIENTIST BLACKLISTING AND THE MEANING OF MARIJUANA IN THE OVAL OFFICE IN THE EARLY 1970s

Synopsis

This story illuminates some of the ways that racism and bigotry informed cannabis policy in the Nixon white house. We break new ground by revealing how Nixon actively participated in blacklisting health scientists at The National Institute of Mental Health (NIMH) with empirical research. We show how the administration ignored policy recommendations from a congressionally mandated commission that cost tax-payers millions to produce.

Reviews

O’Shaughnessy’s: The Journal of Clinical Cannabis was the first review this story. The reviewer reminds us that “[I]t wasn’t just marijuana that got prohibited, it was the truth about history.”

LINK
The article is currently published @medium

CONTACT

Steve Hyde
Director of Communications
Center for the Study of Cannabis and Social Policy (CASP)
6701 Greenwood Ave N.
Seattle WA. 98103
twitter. @reachcasp
mb. 206.724.7929
wb. www.caspcenter.org

Link directly to the interactive web story here